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[jackofallgeeks]

(1) I don't think it's right to take pot-shots at a man who, for all intents and purposes, can not defend himself.
(2) I don't think it's right to shout out all the troubles with a system, but to offer nothing constructive as to fix it.
(3) I don't think it's right the way sex is thrown around in the media and society in general.
(4) It bothers me how senslessly sexual some people can be.
(5) It's discouraging to imagine that my values hold little esteem not just in The World, but often even among those I care for.
(6) It's disheartening to think that, sometimes, people just don't want to hear what you have to say, for good or for ill.

I had more to say, I thought....

Comments

[surichan.livejournal.com]

(1) Can I assume you mean Bush?
(4) Can I assume you mean me?
(5) Can I just say that they do hold some esteem with me? You know they do...I've told you I don't know how many times I admire you for your values - and echo some of them!

[jackofallgeeks.livejournal.com]

(1) Specifically, yes, but I meant it generally.
(4) At times, yes. In this case, yes. But again, I meant it generally.
(5) You're more than allowed to say as much, and it means alot to me. It's difficult, at times, to fathom that I might be admired for that very thing which seems so much to set me at odds with those I care for. -shrugs-

[surichan.livejournal.com]

(4) I can't say I'm not a little hurt by that. Nor that I don't feel a bit misunderstood.
(5) I'm sure it is difficult...but just as I can admire Grant for his Japanese ability, though I don't agree with how he went about getting it, I can admire you for values, even if I don't hold them.

Striving to Understand

[jackofallgeeks.livejournal.com]

(4) *sigh* It's not meant to sting you, though I can certainly understand how it does. My intent is not to attack you, but merely to express myself. Such as things are, I'm almost assured that I misunderstand you, but be that as it may... -shrugs- It just seems to me that sometimes you get distastefully sexual. It's really a personal issue, likely related more-than-a-little to (5). I'm only trying to be honest, here, and this one facet does very little when compared to my understanding of you as a whole.

(5) Like I said, it's beyond me how you can both admire and disdain the same thing in the same way at the same time. I don't follow how you could admire Grant for his skill in the language and at the same time disagree with his ability (how DID he obtain his skill?). Likewise, I miss how someone could admire me for my values and still claim that I'm wrong (necessarily, if you don't subscribe to a set of values, you must think something within them is erroneous, else you would subscribe.)

Re: Striving to Understand

[surichan.livejournal.com]

(4) I'm sure that sometimes, I can be distastefully sexual...but that's a part of me, just like everything else that makes me up. I can't take myself out of it without feeling as though I am repressing myself. I'm sorry it bothers you; I do try to censor myself as much as I can, which goes against my own beliefs that I should be able to say what I like however I like within the confines of this journal. If you would like, I can block you from any entries in which I do go a bit overboard.

(5) Grant got his ability to speak Japanese as well as he does by quarantining himself away from all non-Japanese people...I mean all. Even now, he doesn't really talk to anyone besides Japanese people...he rather shuns everyone else. Thus, I admire him for his ability, but I disagree with how he went about gaining it. As it applies to you, I admire people who have values and stick to them. Even if I don't agree with all of them, the fact that someone lives by and adheres to a set of morals and values in this day of rampant hedonism impresses me - you and I have already shared ideas regarding the value of temperance, etc...temperance is a virtue I not only admire, but agree with. Certain other values of yours, such as your strict adherance to Catholicism, while I may not be able to agree with it because it conflicts in minor ways with my own personal beliefs, I can still admire you for adhering to what I believe is the best of the Christian denominations.

Achieved

[jackofallgeeks.livejournal.com]

(4) We've been through this before, and my position remains -- I would much rather we be open and honest with eac hother than pretend that there's no differences between the two of us. I'd rather know you as you are, not as I think you to be -- that way, when I say that you are my friend, you don't have to worry about whether or not it's because I don't know you. I would never think to ask you (or anyone) to be something you're not. I have much more respect for those who are true to themselves than not. Just as you are free to say what you will on your journal, this is an exercise in my saying what I will, and a good example of what I hope to achieve - honest discussion. ^_^;; I, uhm, hope you're as satisfied with the results as I am. (if not, I'll buy you an unagi)

(5) I think I begin to understand... -laughs- I guess I'm very much a Type-1 thinker, sometimes... I suppose, then, it's more the principle and less the actuality which you agree with. And yes, we do share many common values and beliefs. Don't think for a moment that I begrudge you our differences -- it takes all kinds. And, in the end, I count you and most everyone else reading this among my friends, differences or not. Am I making sense?

[surichan.livejournal.com]

Yes, and a good deal of it. I think we've understood each other.

Re: Achieved

[daisysweet.livejournal.com]

"I would much rather we be open and honest with each other than pretend that there's no differences between the two of us. I'd rather know you as you are, not as I think you to be -- that way, when I say that you are my friend, you don't have to worry about whether or not it's because I don't know you."

ditto that. a lot of people, i feel, don't know me. and yet they call me a friend... only to, when the finally get to know me, dump me by the wayside. either you love me for myself and all that i am and become, or you can go ahead and walk yourself to the curb & save me the time.

i think that's why i don't have a really really REALLY hard time being chubby anymore. granted, i'll never love it, but i'm at an advantage to at least catch that bit of trouble at the door. if you can't like me with my curves, i can tell you that you will DEF. not like me as a skinny person.

[yeah, that did seem a bit off topic, i know.]

[jackofallgeeks.livejournal.com]

Not Off Topic At All. Infact, it's very much on topic.

You have a point in that if someone can't accept you as you are, they likely won't ever be able accept you (excepting the possibility of a change in you or a change in them). At the same time, there are times when I have issues with being, say, out of shape (in that I can't run the way I used to) simply because I'd like to be someone I can like. I think it only makes sense that we all try to be people we can like.
Or something.  ^_^;;  I shouldn't try to think after 11:30.

[mockette.livejournal.com]

5) andrew, your values are a huge part of why i look up to you as a person (not just in height difference) i know this doesn't mean much, but they way you hold true to everything you say and believe is just amazing and extremely inspiring and encouraging.
6) i have never heard one single thing out of your mouth that i am not completely interested in hearing. i could sit for a whole day jsut listening to you talk. when you came to visit and were talking to katie about religion and whatnot, that was one of my most enjoyed times i've ever had. everyhting you say is intelligent, backed, fair, and just outright true. its because of all ive heard you tell me and even what you've told rachel and katie that i have such a wonderful role model in you. so, in short, please...please keep on talking, its something for me to look forward to every day.

[jackofallgeeks.livejournal.com]

(5) *nuzzle* I love you, Mere. You flatter me, but I love you.  ^_^

(6) Oh, don't worry Mere, I don't mean it like that... I've got trouble, sometimes, though... I think it's mostly a personal problem, but I'm half-afraid that people aren't interested in what I have to say sometimes -- not on interesting things like that. I'm never afraid to express my opinions (except on the occasion that I'm afraid I'll hurt someone, but I typically say it anyways -wince- ). It's more a matter of me expressing my feelings... I donno, it's silly, but it boils down mostly to the fact that i'm afraid people don't want to hear that I care for them or some such.
^_^;;  I'm such a weirdo.

But yes, one of my favorite times when I was up there with you ladies was when me and Kate were chatting. I just love... discussion. I can't get enough of it. I'm afraid I frustrate Rachel, and maybe even Kate, but it's not even that I want to 'win' -- I'm interested in learning, and, I don't know -- I just love discussion, be it with someone on The Other Side or just bouncing around ideas with like-minded people, y'know...?

Re:

[mockette.livejournal.com]

5) i know i say too many compliments for you but you don't seem to realize what a blessing you are to every person ever to come in contact with you.

6) not a weirdo :)

Just my two cents...

[thismortalquill.livejournal.com]

::curls up with him::

My life is much better for having met you. Your existence reassures me when I am feeling terribly down on myself because you are a symbol for goodness. Oh, I don't meant to say you are a perfect being, or that I have you on some sort of pedestal, but you are such an inherently good person that I cannot help but to be reassured by you.

(4) I must plead guilty to this accusation, and I hope that I have not offended.

(5)See opening paragraph. Your values (a vage concept for me, as we have never discussed them) still manage to come through in our conversations and I find them extremely laudable. I know I do not count amongst those who have hurt you, but still I try to comfort.

(6)I want to hear what you have to say. Again, I don't think I am the party in question, but you can always drop me a line. Indeed, I am quite looking forward to the prophesied night of jesus christ superstar and morning of freshly baked cinnamon rolls.

[daisysweet.livejournal.com]

[5] hey. your values, as well as your point of view and standpoint, are always heard, taken into account, etc - at least, they are with me. and i know we don't always [hahaha!] see eye to eye, but i find my viewpoint a much better one for having been challenged by you. so don't think you don't make a difference... or no cuddle for you. ;)

[6] i know exactly what you mean. which is why, on most situations, i don't bother talking about things. heavy subjects, light ones... i let them go if i know i can't really be listened to or taken into consideration. i notice, especially, that a lot of people in today's world ask questions for which they have no care for the answer. in my family, that really REALLY strikes a nerve. mom and i both HATE that & at the same time, get it a lot. i think it's sad, since every good life in this world deserves a voice and deserves to be heard -- especially by those they care about or who supposedly care about them.

xoxo.

Thought I'd say something

[bluegrave.livejournal.com]

(1) I make no excuses for what I say. Though I should more then likely be less judgemental.

(2)I tried to think of a good fix, but as with most things I think of, it was broken as well. Other then doing what I can, I can do no less. Though this whole thing did teach me something. Next election I'm voting come hell or high water.

(3)I have to agree with you, but I also have to say that it's not fair how prudish society is as well. When you are a good person who's never done anything sexually wrong and you're called a slut because you wear a corset with bell black pants because it looks cute. Or you realize how someone's sexuality and personality are judged based on what they wear, you realize just how prudish the world really is.

(4)The thing of it is it's their personality. When you care about someone you kinda gotta take the good with the bad, or in this case what you like with what you don't (Yes dear, I know you know that and I probobly shouldn't have said anything)

(5)Your values are who you are darlin', and we love you for them. We may not be able to fathum them sometimes but honestly, you're amazing to be able to have such strong convictions and values in an age like this. I'm sure you'd be suprised at how many people really do esteem your values.

(6)Just thought I'd add that I'll listen to anything you have to tell me, good or ill, to or against what I think.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents -=Hugs=-