jackofallgeeks: (Wrath)
John Noble ([personal profile] jackofallgeeks) wrote2003-09-04 08:24 pm

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I'm rather enjoying this LJ-Prolife community. Sometimes I think it's a bit futile preaching to the choir, but it is good to bat around ideas, ask questions, and (especially for me) know there are others out there.

Just this evening, there was a thread started talking about how men are afraid to be pro-life. In that thread, there was a comment which read, in part:

There are a huge number of women out there raising their sons to be nothing but mindless drones - or "good husbands" as they would put it. It's a reverb against the way women have been traditionally repressed. They figure, what's good for the gander is good for the goose. They treat men the way they feel they have been treated, and it's getting worse as time goes on, and they are raising their sons to buy into it all.

This lightly touches on yet ANOTHER thing that's bothered me for some time. The fact is guys and girls are different, and not just cause each has a few different parts. Psychologically, chemically, emotionally, physically... We're so different, we don't even THINK on the same lines, and I don't think anyone will argue me on that. Guys and girls have across the board always had difficulty understanding eachother. And it BOTHERS me how... You can't raise a boy the same way you raise a girl. And the fact that guys are more oriented in physical realities (generally) isn't just because we're raised a certain way, or treated differently as a baby. We're DIFFERENT... I read a study once where they tried raising little boys the same way they raised little girls, in the hopes that the boys would be less inclined towards physical violence (I'm not a violent man, but every now and then I would just like to break things). It didn't work, but people still think along those lines. They don't recognize that we're hardwired to be BOYS, and that doesn't mean we'll all be overly aggressive, or even that we SHOULD be overly aggressive; but we're not girls.

This has quickly degenerated into a mostly-mindlerss rant, and I've lost track of most of my arguments... What it comes down to is that we need more men to act like men, Convicted, Noble, Loyal... not how we seem to be churning out guys who will not take a stance and....

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Yes, more men need to act like men. I end it here.

Agreed !!!

[identity profile] prncessb.livejournal.com 2003-09-05 10:21 am (UTC)(link)
I am a 36 year old single/divored mom. I could NOT AGREE MORE. I have two boys and one girl. Boys ARE DIFFERENT from girls!!!!! No doubt. Anddddddd......Where did all the MEN go???? I want our men back, and I want them back now!!!! I divorced my husband because he was one of those mushy, can't make a decision to save his life, irresponsible boys who haven't grown up, and probably never will because society keeps telling him he's 'ok'. ACK!!!!
Extreme Feminisim had SCREWED women over, big time! I am not superwoman, and I don't want to be. I want everyone to take responsibility for themselves darn it!
K.....that was my rant :) Anddddd....I AM EMOTIONAL, I was wired that way. I like it thankyouverymuch, so ha! to all the feminazis out there!
And you son, are such a breath of fresh air. Thank you God for giving the next generation a brain, and the ability to think for themselves :)

Just some thoughts...

[identity profile] musicmz.livejournal.com 2003-09-09 01:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not here to cause any trouble, I'm just here to give my opinion, being that we're from the same generation, just different sides of the fence. If my presence isn't welcome here, please just let me know and I will leave.

That being said, I read the post from [livejournal.com profile] prolife specifically your comment. As a woman, I do not care if a man is prolife, that is his opinion, and his views and he is entitled to such. It is not until a man actively fights to take away my right to choose that I get angry. It is my feeling that he will never have the burden of being pregnant, he will never carry a life within his own body. So he will never know what it is like, emotionally, and physically.

You claim that most women do not know what abortion really is, and what kind of toll it can have on a woman. I disagree with that. Yes, some women may not take the time to actually weigh out her options. But it is my sincerest hope that women fully look at all options available and choose what is best for them. I know a number of women who have had abortions who knew full well going into it what it entailed. And to be quite honest, I would have been more emotionally damaged by having to bear a child and give it away than I was by having had an abortion. Every person handles stresses differently. Pregnancy is very taxing on a woman's body. No, abortion is no picnic, but when done safely it is not as dangerous as many people believe, it is even safer than a full term delivery in most cases.

As far as chivalry goes, it was done in the days of yore to make up for the fact that women were treated like lesser beings. While I would love to see it practiced more today, I don't see a man being prolife as being chivalrous (I'm sure you do many other things that are, I'm just saying that just being pro life doesn't make you chivalrous). I would much rather have a man say to me that he loves and respects me enough to be allow me to decide for myself what should be done to my own body. To me that shows a greater sense affection, than trying to convince me to do something I don't want to do. It gives enough dignity to the woman by saying, you're strong enough to know what's right for you in this situation.

I hope I haven't offended you, and I hope this came off the way I intended it to and not confrontational by any means. I am merely just giving you the views of a 20 year old pro choice gal, who knows a lot about the subject.